Posted by
INTHENOW on Tuesday, April 28, 2009 5:12:27 PM
I occasional visit left wing sites to see what the enemy is up to. I’ve never been to Media Matters, so I signup as “Aircanart” and began reading. Actually, it’s not as despicable as the Daily Kooks, but on the precipice of insanity nonetheless. As I continued to read, I eventually found a voice of reason commenting on a particular story, 100 days of myths and falsehoods and offered some mutual support.
Although I have been thrown out of a bar or two in my younger days, this is the first website I’ve been banned from.
So how does a nicely dressed conservative (aka domestic terrorist) get tossed out of the liberal blogging Mecca? Read on…
[Original post]
Posted by feminthecity3586
Obama promised that senior citizens making under $50,000. would not have to pay any taxes. This was not included in his gargantual shopping spree.
Barak had accomplished precisely nothing of significance throughout his short career — and yet still promised the world, and more, to his followers. Obama’s election was supposed to end the “politics as usual,” but has been filled with tired old partisan fighting and divisiveness and name calling. His followers like Keith Olberman and Janine Garafalo call you a racist if you so much as disagree with anything their idol Barack, is doing. Barack could put an end to all of that divisiveness with one statement but he will not.
He has publically attacked Rush Limbaugh ... a talk show host, for crying out loud. This kind of childish behavior is supposed to be beneath the office which Obama now holds.
Iran has launched its own satellite into orbit and is mocking Obama as a weak leader for wanting to have a dialogue with them. North Korea has withdrawn from its non-aggression treaty and is preparing another missile test. Somalia is in tatters. Yemen has released 170 al-Qaeda terrorists. Pakistan has released mad nuclear scientist A.Q. Khan from house arrest. Russia is blocking supply lines into Afghanistan.
Barack's approval rating has already dropped to 66% according to recent polls. Some say it's lower.
Hang on to your hats (and wallets); it might be a long four years.
[My Response…I’m logged on as “Aircanart”]:
Posted by Aircanart in reply to feminthecity3586
“Hang on to your hats (and wallets); it might be a long four years.”
Too late! Unfortunately your, your children’s, and grandchildren’s wallets have already been plundered.
“Mr. Obama's characterizations of his budget unfortunately fall into this pattern. He claims to reduce the deficit by half, to shave $2 trillion off the debt (the cumulative deficit over his 10-year budget horizon), and not to raise taxes on anyone making less than $250,000 a year. While in a Clintonian sense correct (depends on what the definition of "is" is), it is far more accurate to describe Mr. Obama's budget as almost tripling the deficit. It adds $6.5 trillion to the national debt, and leaves future U.S. taxpayers (many of whom will make far less than $250,000) with the tab. And all this before dealing with the looming Medicare and Social Security cost explosion.”
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123871911466984927.html
Smoke and mirrors and redefined terms…up is down, weak is strong, and terrorist are arbiters of man-made disasters; victims no doubt, of a cruel past administration.
Posted Monday April 27, 2009 12:32:10 PM EDT /
Posted by NiceguyEddie in reply to Aircanart
Well, the article started out good, but quickly desolved into nonsense. Basically, they DO admit that he cuts the deficit in half, but says that since "doing nothing" would cut it by 84%, he's actually INCREASING IT. How's that for conserva-logic? A 50% cut is an INCREASE. LOL. That BS completely falls apart even BEFORE factoring in the damage done to the economy by NOT making necessary investment in infrastructure and NOT stimulating growth in the economy. Really a pathetic argument all-in-all that can only appeal to those that have already concluded that Obama will go down as the worst president ever. (Despite the fact that the man he replaced, and who these idiots all supported ALREADY HAS.)
Posted Monday April 27, 2009 1:19:13 PM EDT /
Posted by Aircanart in reply to NiceguyEddie
It’s not about Bush verses Obama, or a party issue. It’s about the individual against big government. Bush started this madness with TARP and now Obama is setting new spending records; no matter how twisted the numbers or redefined the terms. The only thing stimulated is the government and Obama’s power base. And it will continue to grow and amass power.
But perhaps that’s okay with you.
Obama-nomics, like the new deal, appeals only to Keynesian socialists (oxymoron) and/or those who ignore or rewrite history. And the current spender-in-chief will have out “stimulated” all presidents combined by 2010. Keep telling yourself, your children, and their children that’s it’ not spending or debt…its just stimulus.
Advocates for bigger government are either dependent, want more power, or just plain daft of consequences. But if you want an all encompassing nanny state to do your thinking (investing) for you…well then…your response makes perfect since.
Posted Monday April 27, 2009 2:07:55 PM EDT /
Posted by NiceguyEddie in reply to Aircanart
It’s about the individual against big government.
*sigh* I'm getting tired of hearing this from the party that rode roughshod over the constitution for the past eight years. You never do get around to explaining why "big" government is in fact "bad" or why you are more concerned with the SIZE of government than it's actual, legal REACH. Why you are more concerned with limiting it's COST than it's POWER, ignoring completely the COST that would be bourne anyway were the government NOT to provide the services it does.
Bush started this madness with TARP and now Obama is setting new spending records
Agreed, on Bush. As for Obama? This is hardly new. So did Reagan, Clinton and Bush '43, just to name a few. In pure dollar figures, I'm sure that this can be said of all but a few presidents in this country's history, and in particular since 1930.
The only thing stimulated is the government and Obama’s power base.
The idea that the "gvoernment" is being "stimulated" doesn't even make any sense. As for "Obama's power base?" Yeah... you see that's being stimulated by pursuing polices that improve the lives of a broad cross sections of americans. If that doesn't happen (as you have suggested) then he's out in 4-to-8 and we're back to Reaganomics with the next (Republican) administartion. OTH, if it works... then what's your problem? (Aside from the fact that the DEMOCRATIC and LIBERAL "power base" will grow?)
Obama-nomics, like the new deal, appeals only to Keynesian socialists (oxymoron) and/or those who ignore or rewrite history.
I suspect that you don't really understand Keynes, or Adam Smith for that matter. As for history... well, it's not Liberal's that attempt to re-write it my friends. Case in point: The new deal appeals to almost ALL Americans who didn't own large corporations. The polls don't lie: Roosevelt was elected in FOUR LANDSLIDES. The first over an incumbant Predisednt that was HIMSELF elected in a landslide (the only time that's ever happened, BTW), another in the largest electoral landslide in HISTORY (more lopsided by % than Reagan's in '84 or Nixon's in '72). Roosevelt had FOUR elections that looks like Lyndon Johnson in '64. So your "only appeals to" point is utter nonsense.
Keep telling yourself, your children, and their children that’s it’ not spending or debt…its just stimulus.
Where were you in the Reagan years? I guess you SUPOPRTED Clinton's tax increases to reduce that debt, huh? (Considering his reduction in entitlements, you must think he was the greatest president ever!) And why do I suspect that you went silent once again as W. turned a record surplus into a record deficit in less than a year, and then started an uneccessary war. My "grandchildren" will be paying for that to, you know!
Advocates for bigger government are either dependent, want more power, or just plain daft of consequences.
Hmmmm... This is just right-wing bunk. Saying the third point undermines the first two. But I'll see you raise: Supply-Siders are short-sited, self-centered individuals just rtying to feed their own greed, regarldess of the consequences to the larger economy. Now that's just liberal nonsense, but it's a helluva lot closer to the truth than what you're saying. "Daft of consequences?" So, maybe, like... Invading a country that didn't attack us? Thus alienating our allies? Thus emboldening our enemies? Thus running up HUGE DEFICITS in the process? Or supporting interrogation tactics that are guarenteed not to privde good intel? Don't talk to me, or any liberal, about consequences, sir. Your lot have no credability in THAT dept. As for being "dependant?" ALL businesses (and thus all of our incomes) benefit from gov't sepnding. The money the gov't spends doesn;t get burned you know! It gets SPENT. At our business, buying our goods and services. And even if the gov't doesn't buy them directly, the people who's salaries ARE paid by the gov't orby gov't spending DO. The money hits each and every one of us. (But more on this below...)
But if you want an all encompassing nanny state to do your thinking (investing) for you…well then…your response makes perfect since.
More nonsense. No one is telling me how to spend my money. You people play the victim so well with this stuff. What you people [who bash Keynes] never seem to understand is that the moeny you "lose" to "high" taxes, is money that you never would have had in the first place, were it not for government spending. Your mockery of "stimulus" reveals your true ignorance of Keynes and MacroEconimics. (MBA, Univeristy of MI, with Honors, if you're wondering.) The economy has a DEMAND side to it as well. We've adress the SUPPLY side to the point where things have gone WAAAAY out of balance. It's time to strengthen to demand side. That means WAGES, and SPENDING. And it will benefit EVERYONE.
But thank you for at least admitting that my response makes perfect sense. I agree with that [part of your] point as well.
Posted Monday April 27, 2009 4:04:51 PM EDT /
[When I tried to post a reply, the thread had been conveniently closed after Mr. NiceguyEddie’s post… coincidence? So I found Mr. Ed commenting on another thread and posted the response directly to one of his recent post. My comments stayed up only long enough for someone hit the danger button. I suppose Mr. Ed didn’t like the verbiage, and instead of responding, selected the “Abuse” (aka conservative intrusion alert) switch action. Here’s my rule breaking comment]:
NiceguyEddie / Monday April 27, 2009 4:12:32 PM EDT
Please forgive me for posting my comments for this column:
http://mediamatters.org/items/200904240038?f=h_top here. Unfortunately the former comments section was closed before I could adequately provide the deserved response.
First and foremost, thanks for your detailed response…and psychoanalysis. I’m flattered! The way you picked apart my comments line-by-line, was akin to ESPN’s play-by-play football coverage. Monday morning quarterbacking at it’s best.
Since you took the liberty to diagnose and label me after reading just one post, I’ll do my best to return the favor. However, I lack your obvious intuitive osmosis skills. Having never met, I cannot possibly know your motivations. And since I don’t know you, none of my ramblings are personal.
Your rebuttals ignore the history of FDR’s fiscal failures (regardless of his approval rating) and the unintended and intended consequences of Obama’s irresponsible fiscal policies and out and out deception. Instead you offer incidental references to past presidencies (mostly Republican); which is nothing more than the transparent typical diversion to deflect the current issue and responsibility.
The fact is Obama is spending money we don’t have, and increasing government and his powerbase faster than any president in history. Are you listening? That fact alone should alarm every rational voter. Because it is also a fact that as the government grows individual liberty is eroded. And something else to consider; once Obama and a one-party congress has implemented regulatory policy and legislation to alter the playing field in their favor; it is done. But that seems to be okay with you, providing it’s a democrat taking your liberty.
Here’s a news flash for you; as the two parties continue to trade power, the pendulum swinging one way and then the other, the Republicans will eventually regain control. But this time, thanks to Obama, they’ll inherit more power than they imagined. And the big loser is the individual tax-paying voter who ultimately has less and less representation; not only in government policy, but also his property. And if socialized medicine becomes a reality…his own body.
You seem to be an ideologue through and through. Am I correct? That’s what team Obama and his minions require; he needs all the blind support he can muster. Had I’d taken the time to read some more of your posts; I would’ve realized that you’re a true believer. And if my guess is correct, Barak could enter your abode and you’d be bowing lower than he did to King Fahd. I’m sure in your eyes, he can do no wrong. Well, at least he’ll do better than that scourge from the past eight years, regardless of how big the government gets. Bush lied people died…right Eddie?
Ideologies will never get it. They swallow the rhetoric from websites like Media Matters and become stuck in the mire of Republican verses Democrat…liberal against conservative. And sadly for all of us, they continue to beat the party drum while the house burns down around us.
In the end, we need less idealogues and more people who believe in their own individual power. Those who take responsibility and recognize the constitution for what it is and the design of government’s limited role in our lives.
[I continued to repost the comments each time they were deleted. Here’s the list…17 total prior to banning.]
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[1620 My email to Media Matters]:
“My respectful replies are being deleted from the comment section of this post: http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904270028
Is free and open debate not encouraged here? What is going on?
V/R Aircanart”
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So at the end of the day, my little visit just confirmed what I already knew. The libs cannot, nor do they wish to engage in any meaningful debate. Moreover, the older liberals who pull the strings at Media Matters and similar outlets, do not want their younger bloggers exposed to anything that differs from their perception of reality. They are cultivating a young liberal crop…and nothing threatens that crop more than reasonable substantial debate.